First and foremost, I think the Founding Fathers would be amazed that the United States is still here and still encapsulates some form of democracy. They wouldn't be surprised by the attitudes you've outlined. And they wouldn't be surprised by the partisanship either. They would be surprised by the size of the United States and its powerful role in the World. I think they also would be surprised by the existence of an Israeli and Jewish State, and recognize in that some sort of divine intervention. Even deists would be surprised, and atheists too.
Thx for relating to Fourth Turning. It provides such context and, ironically, reassurance--we've been here before. Hope to see that context referencedd more frequently; it's why I'm a paid sub. Thx!
I wonder if it would depend on which Founding Father you ask? I don't know enough about each and every one's political and philosophical perspectives. Perhaps some would have recognized patterns (AKA 'turnings') and seen this time for what it is. Others maybe be more lamentive.
They definitely were stewards of the classical Greeks and Romans so maybe they were aware of the concept of the saeculum and its celebrations in that era.
I've certainly been less proud of our nation since DJT was elected. Things have gone downhill and our nation is more polarized and headed to dictatorship, which is why the USA broke from Great Britain to start with.
Tbh I've had similar thoughts. The revolutionists were motivated by preventing bondage, servitude, tyranny, etc. And of course the slogan of taxation without representation. Alas, those things remain in 2026, but not against The Crown but the federal government.
First and foremost, I think the Founding Fathers would be amazed that the United States is still here and still encapsulates some form of democracy. They wouldn't be surprised by the attitudes you've outlined. And they wouldn't be surprised by the partisanship either. They would be surprised by the size of the United States and its powerful role in the World. I think they also would be surprised by the existence of an Israeli and Jewish State, and recognize in that some sort of divine intervention. Even deists would be surprised, and atheists too.
Thx for relating to Fourth Turning. It provides such context and, ironically, reassurance--we've been here before. Hope to see that context referencedd more frequently; it's why I'm a paid sub. Thx!
I wonder if it would depend on which Founding Father you ask? I don't know enough about each and every one's political and philosophical perspectives. Perhaps some would have recognized patterns (AKA 'turnings') and seen this time for what it is. Others maybe be more lamentive.
They definitely were stewards of the classical Greeks and Romans so maybe they were aware of the concept of the saeculum and its celebrations in that era.
How could any of them be pleased as our separation of powers has gone missing.
I've certainly been less proud of our nation since DJT was elected. Things have gone downhill and our nation is more polarized and headed to dictatorship, which is why the USA broke from Great Britain to start with.
Tbh I've had similar thoughts. The revolutionists were motivated by preventing bondage, servitude, tyranny, etc. And of course the slogan of taxation without representation. Alas, those things remain in 2026, but not against The Crown but the federal government.